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The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Posted on: September 17, 2011 2:06 pm
Edited on: September 17, 2011 2:19 pm
 


By Gary Parrish


You don't apply for membership to the ACC unless you already know you'll be accepted.

So this is happening.

Syracuse and Pittsburgh -- two of the Big East's most important members -- are heading to the land of Duke and North Carolina, and though I'm not certain what it does for the ACC in football other than ensure commissioner John Swofford will run what's on track to be the first so-called super conference, the basketball aspect of this is exciting.

The ACC was already arguably the nation's best basketball conference.

Now it won't even be debatable.

The league is about to add two perennial and rock-solid top-25 programs .

Mike Krzyzewski and Jim Boeheim are the active leaders in victories.

Now they'll be fighting for the same league championship.

That's a cool future for the ACC.

Meantime, where the Big East goes from here is anybody's guess.

One option might be to try to pluck Kansas and Kansas State from the Big 12 to get to nine all-sports members (once TCU is added), but West Virginia could still, at some point, leave for the SEC, and Rutgers is always an option for the Big Ten. In other words, the Big East is just as vulnerable as the Big 12. One of the leagues might survive, at best. But the most likely scenario has leftover members from both leagues merging to form something that's a geographical mess and notch below a soon-to-be-enhanced SEC, Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12.

"Whatever happens, we'll have to adjust to it," Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim told CBSSports.com by phone on Saturday. "I'm not commenting on Syracuse to the ACC, but in general I'm saying that I don't see how it's a good thing to have all these huge conferences. But I may be wrong. That's my opinion -- and I'm old. ... [But] some day we'll get to 16-team leagues and everybody may look back on it and say it wasn't such a great idea."

Most agree with Boeheim because there's a chance this makes everybody more money at the cost of happiness.

Traditional powers will have a tougher time winning league titles.

Traditional losers will have a tougher time breaking through.

Traditional rivalries will be sacrificed.

But complaining about those things is like sitting around and complaining about how children don't play outside anymore. Or how our country would be better without fast-food chains on every corner. Or how the BCS ruins college football's postseason. Like it or not, these are the times in which we live. Super conferences are coming, and Swofford should be credited for being proactive in this eat-or-be-eaten world. He's on the verge of poaching two of the Big East's all-sports schools and ensuring the ACC survives this grand shift in the landscape of college athletics, and by doing so he's seriously enhanced the basketball side of his conference.

Yes, I know, basketball isn't what's dictating any of these proposed moves.

But that doesn't mean basketball won't be affected.

Or, in the ACC's case, vastly improved.

Photo: AP

Comments

Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: September 20, 2011 6:43 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

The final two teams in the ACC are likely to be from the following:  Louisville, WVU, UCONN, Rutgers, or South Florida.  No insde info, just pure common sense.  My personal preference is for Louisville and WVU.  They would bring addtional basketball prowess, and the football aint too shabby!



Since: Nov 23, 2009
Posted on: September 20, 2011 9:07 am
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

GoldPanther: Lets see..Temple beat G-Town, St John's and Cincy over the last few years, split with 'Nova and generally has a high RPI (and an AP top 25) rating. Xavier, Richmond and Dayton are also near/at top 25 perrenially. I agree that ST. Bonaventure, Fordham and St. Louis are the weaker links, but a few of the B Ball only teams like G-Town, Nova and Marquette could benefit from a realignment. The bottom line is, Football schools are dominating this move. The ACC gets a bonus bump in Basketball but they were decent beforehand. Honestly, the Big East has 7 teams routinely go yo the NCAA and 5 are knocked out by the Sweet 16. Perhaps its the any given Sunday rule, but the smaller conferences have talent and while the ACC, Big 12,etc are about to become super conferences, the other conferences if they have enough talent should follow suit and seek consolidation.



Since: May 2, 2008
Posted on: September 19, 2011 8:08 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

In the past 15 years tell me how many National Championship have Kansas or K-State won compared to UNC or Duke and now add Syracuse to ACC numbers ( How Many ) That what I thought !



Since: Sep 17, 2011
Posted on: September 19, 2011 4:05 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Im mad. There goes Big East basketball. Now the BEST conference will fall apart. 



Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: September 19, 2011 3:00 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Well, Syracuse and Pitt have finally figured out that the Big Least is not as strong as people/pundits pervceive it to be (look at the 7 teams they bring to the NCAA BB show every year and tell me how many get to the Elite 8, let alone the final 4).

Well, Mervone, all I can tell you is if you think the Big East was overated you should invite G-Town, Nova, St. Johns, Providence, L-Ville, Cincy, Marquette etc. to the Atlantic 10.  After due consideration which one of the above named would not finish in the top seven of the A-10. Note: I did not even include UConn or WVY...if I had, then the New Atlantic 10 would have all ex-Big East at the top of the conference. Even DePaul could win in your conference...not sure about Rutgers, as they are truly pathetic.



Since: May 4, 2007
Posted on: September 19, 2011 2:46 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

well hoops comes in wayyyyyy 2nd here cause this is all about the football, so regardles of whether coach k liked it or not, they don't have THAT kind of power. now eventually when the acc expands to 16 or even 20 and all these kids are playing cross country conf games the idiots in the offices and the schools and all the columnist who are slobbering over this better not act holier than thou(like baseball steroids) and act like its a travesty that none of the kids are going to class and them and there family's are getting $$ to see these across country games. and as for bball.. the tourney will have to change to the best 68 or 96 because when these teams play with 16 -20 conf teams they all gotta get 8-10 in.. also there will be no need for pre-season nit, alaska or hawaii gms. let alone will there be a real regular season champ(cause teams will not all play each other fair amounts) and then all the conference tourneys will be a 5-6 affair (if even needed... but it is $$$) by college athletics. u will see esentially a minor leagues for football & bball. they just happened to be owned by college institutions 



Since: Nov 23, 2009
Posted on: September 19, 2011 2:08 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Well, Syracuse and Pitt have finally figured out that the Big Least is not as strong as people/pundits pervceive it to be (look at the 7 teams they bring to the NCAA BB show every year and tell me how many get to the Elite 8, let alone the final 4). I will say though that there was a huge discrepancy between the smaller BB only schools (i.e, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, etc.) vs. Football and Basketball powerhouses (Syracuse, Pitt, WVA, etc.). The Big East collectively did have the best Basketball conference in the nation as those teams vied for top recruits and competed weekly. The Big East Football side is weaker. I mean after Miami left (OK--not this year's version) there was a small void. Honestly, UConn's football team is average as they lost to Temple (a former Big East, now MAC member) last year and still got a BCS bowl. Come on, here. What is of bigger concern is the anticipated fallout from other conferences. Temple, Xavier and Dayton all have/had ranked teams in the Top 25 in B Ball, do they leave the A-10 to move to the Big East? Does Temple move back to the Big East in Football because it' not nearly so "Big" now. Does VIllanova make the division 1 leap it declined on last year? I mean this is a total flux situation and there may be more losers than winners when it shakes out. ironically, all of these moves are made for the sake of revenue, and how far away are we from the proverbial Athlete "Trust Fund" like they have in the Olympics for their athletes. Getting paid without the stigma. Well, for now good luck to Pitt and Syracuse, let everyone else take it on the chin...



Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: September 19, 2011 1:09 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

"But complaining about those things is like sitting around and complaining about how children don't play outside anymore. Or how our country would be better without fast-food chains on every corner. Or how the BCS ruins college football's postseason. Like it or not, these are the times in which we live. Super conferences are coming, and Swofford should be credited for being proactive in this eat-or-be-eaten world."

So as fans we should just sit here and take it? Did you compare the ACC raid 2.0 to America's childhood obesity problem and the suggest to give credit for it?

Don't get me wrong. ACC did what they felt they needed to and so did Pitt and Syracuse. But college football as a whole better give everybody a fair shot. The lack of playoffs, destruction of leagues and rivalries, and the rise of ticket costs and tuition. The fans get screwed here and colleges get richer. They should at least pay income taxes.



Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: September 19, 2011 12:54 pm
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

It sounds stupid to most, but I was really hoping the Big East would survive...

I too hoped the Big East would survive but now that it is apparently over and done with, I feel the tie to ACC teams is far superior to say what the Big !G has to offer.  The only school in that insipid conference Pitt would get excited about is Penn State and, at times, maybe Ohio State...the rest were only decent as out of conference foes.

I would love to see UConn and WVU join the Panthers and Orange in the ACC...this would make for the best BB conference in the country.  I prefer WVU over a medicore Rutgers despite them not having AAU status. Question: Are Florida State and Miami AAU members? After all WVU has far supeior sporting credentials than Rutgers will ever have if they continue to maintain their JUCO mentality.

This would be such a great conference, you might even see Penn State begging for an invitation to the ACC.  Why not, the football would be equal to the Big !0 and the BB would be tough for them but at least they would be in the big time.

My last, and fervant hope, would be for the ACC to use the Garden for its tournament and if I were a betting man I would say that this is not only possible but probable if the ACC had Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and WVU in the fold.




Since: Jan 5, 2009
Posted on: September 19, 2011 11:48 am
 

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

> The ACC was already arguably the nation's best basketball conference.  Now it won't even be debatable.

I'm not sure I agree, we will have to see how all of this falls out.  If the BigEast were to replace Pitt/Syracuse with Kansas/Kansas St, I can definitely see the Big East still claiming supremacy.  I think it is still too premature to make any predictions.

I have been thinking about this all weekend, and as a rabid Pitt fan, I still don't like this move for Pitt.  Pitt is not a good fit for the Big 10, Pac 10 or SEC either.  Pitt is the perfect fit for the Big East, and all of the institutions that make up those rivalries.  I cannot get excited about Pitt-Maryland or Pitt-GT or Pitt-Clemson matchups.  Duke/NC in BB, and VT/Miami/FSU in football will be okay, but all of the other games will have no regional boundaries or natural rivalries. 

It sounds stupid to most, but I was really hoping the Big East would survive...


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