2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 2, 2012 8:37 am

FYI Montee Ball was attacked and beaten by 5 dudes in Madison, WI. 2 hours in Hospital later he says he is okay.
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 2, 2012 8:44 am

NY,

yeah - saw that...  was he walking around at 2:15am in the morning?  is that what I saw - 5 guys jumping him?  sounds Like a set up - sounds like they were waiting for him and not a random attach...  we'll see how this one comes out...

enjoy,

bb
burghball
SinceJan 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 2, 2012 5:09 pm

Stock down on 2 ND players, not that they've had a pro worth a squat since Tim Brown and Jerome Bettis.....

Tommy Reese QB, and Carlos Calabrese LB were involved in a party, DUI, whatever, just idiotic behavior. THe FIghting Irish Drunks, LOL.

[http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-
sports/2012/07/31/notre-dame-suspen
ds-two-players-for-opener/]

I wonder if the move had anything to do with saving AirFare to London.  Undecided
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 3, 2012 7:51 am

NY,

You got a read on this kid?  I saw him mocked to us  - I think DraftTek...

Shayne Skov  ILB  Stanford



Will check out a Stanford game or 2 this fall and watch him.  

enjoy,

bb
burghball
SinceJan 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 3, 2012 9:08 am

bb,

Shane Skov, like his talent, nose for ball, instincts, size, but I don't like his injuries.  Best person for Colbert to get a read on him is David DeCastro. Sort of like how Mauarkice Pouncey sold Marcus Gilbert and Chris Rainey to the War Room.

 

ny

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 3, 2012 9:16 am

NY,

Thanks - Good point re DeCastro...  he should know.   Did not know about the injuries..   I also dont think at this point Skov is  a 1st rounder...  will need to watch a few times - if he stays healthy.

enjoy,

bb
burghball
SinceJan 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 3, 2012 10:36 am

I've been watching Skov for a little while now, actually. I like his talent and demeanor on field, but he got a DUI this past spring. The good news is he's suspended for a game for it, so maybe that will teach him not to do it again. I really do like him as a player, and as much as I wouldn't want to admit it I would hate it if the Ravens picked him.
demolisher43
SinceJun 18, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 4, 2012 10:11 am

I have not done a mock in a while.  ROll the dice, here is what I see for BPA and need. Worried about Safety and OLB depth and with Mike Wallace pouting, WR is in the mix. I like our OL and DL depth in this camp.

1. T.J. McDonald, S, USC
2. Aaron Mellette, WR, Elon
3. James Gayle, OLB, Va Tech
4. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
5. Spencer Ware, RB, LSU
6a. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, UConn
6b. Marquis Jackson, OLB, Portland State
7. Drew Frey, SS, Cincinatti

Sure I pulled some names out of my arse, but it's early. Interested in this Gayle kid to see if he can drop and play OLB, he is a DE right now and will only be a Junior.  Jason Worilds is not setting the world on fire by frequently rehabbing in a hot tub
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 4, 2012 6:20 pm

Sammy Watkins now with a two game suspension for a DUI.

Let's see, get an athletic scholarship for 4 years, worth 100,000 give or take, with a path to a high paying job in the NFL, and then screw it up Royally..  IDIOT  does not cover it for me.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo
tball/blog/eye-on-college-football/
19722135/may-arrest-sidelines-sammy
-watkins-for-clemsons-first-two-gam
es
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 5, 2012 10:57 am

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo
tball/story/19728167/police-several
-leads-in-attack-on-wisconsin-rb


More on Montee Ball. I find it hard pressed to buy this "first round pick", I have him as a mid second rounder. I do not know the kid, but 100% innocent is not something I am comfortible with. His attack seems more of a retaliation than a random hate crime.  The area of the campus is in close proximity to several bars and recent altercations involving Police.  WHy was he there at 2 in the moring?  I would say this would drop his stock a half round, based on poor judgement. If you are paying a player, who has never played one down in the NFL, Millions of Dollars, you want that person to make sound decisions about with whom and where he hangs out.

With the rare exception of two people meeting in a bar and becoming husband and wife, I cannot think of much else good that comes out of drinking at a bar. I drink a lot less now than I did 35 years a go when I first became old enough to legally drink. Lost some good friends to horrific car crashes, both of whom were at a bar before the accident took their lives.
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 5, 2012 11:18 pm

Notes from HOF game. Really like Justin Bethel on ST, great 6th round pick by Whisenhunt. Lawrence Wilson will make the Saints roster, Ryan Lindley looked good until the pick. Kevin Kolb sucks, they should just cut their losses now!
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 6, 2012 2:46 am

Damnit nyb beat me to it. Bethel rocked a guy on punt coverage.
steelers=sb
SinceOct 18, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 6, 2012 11:00 am

Justin Bethel not only rocked a guy =sb, he blocked a FG. He was playing deep zone  on the fumble and almost got his hand on the ball. Moving up for Alemeda Ta'amu was smart, gave up the 6th rounder. But I really liked this player coming out of Presbyterian. I think Brad Nessler and Mike Mayock are so much better than Bob Pappa and Joe Theisman for Thursday Night Football.

I am stuck watching the Steelers vs. Eagles on NFL network replay @ 1PM Friday, but some players I am really interesting in from this years draft that the Eagles selected:  I was very high on Fletcher Cox, many of you guys liked Mychal Kendricks. bb liked Marvin McNutt and I think SteelRoc liked Brandon Washington. Vinny Curry is someone we also liked as a group, and the QB Nick Foles we thought might be a good pro.

Last night you could see Lawrence Wilson can drop and cover, I watched him at UConn and think he just has a nose for the ball and is very quick. Three players from UConn on my watch list this year. The CB I had mocked to the Steelers in round 6, Blidih Wreh-Wilson. They also have a good TE named Ryan Griffin, and a very instinctive LB named Sio Moore. All three players are  projected as 5th rounders in the lastest draftscout rankings.

Call me pessimistic but I am souring on Sean Spence until I see him healthy and making plays. I am excited to see Willie Colon in Kemo's old spot and want to see how Marcus Gilbert improves with a full camp and the OTA's this year. David DeCastro is still learning, but the pedigree will rise up and he will be the RG, no doubt in my mind.

Word out of Buffalo is that Cordy Glenn will be the starting LT for the Bills, he is progressing nicely. Kevin Colbert has addressed the OL and DL heavily in the past few drafts, I think LB will be a focus on this upcoming draft, very early in the draft. Have not heard much about Dont'a Hightower yet, but I think he will will be a thorn in the side for years to come. All this Bill Belichick is a genius talk is sickening me. If he was so great at signing FA players how  come Robert Gallery just walked out of camp, who followed Joseph Addai.
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 7, 2012 10:41 am

976,000 reads and counting.

cool. Cool

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 7, 2012 11:05 am

The DE that was slated to take Nick Perry's spot, Devon Kennard, out of the season, torn pec.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/
blog/rob-rang/19668679/southern-cal
-de-kennard-tears-pectoral-muscle-m
ay-be-out-for-season


I for one and not buying the USC are the favorites to win the NCAA Bowl Series, and I certainly do not think Matt Barkely is the best prospect in the draft. He may be taken first  overall, but there will be players after him that will be much better pros.  No he is not the next Jimmy Clausen, even though he has that punk look, I think he will be the next Matt Leinhart.

Your National Champ is going to come from the SEC, just way too talented and deep a Conference to not think along those lines.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/
blog/rob-rang/19074521/nfl-draft-to
p-small-school-prospects


Speaking of DE's that could play OLB, Hhre is the latest from Dane Bugphuccer, came out a few months ago, looking past Aaron Mellette, there are some good small school players that will be drafted in 2013.

9. DE David Bass, Missouri Western State (6-3, 258): Bass contributed immediately as a redshirt freshman in 2009 and has progressively improved each season. Last year, he broke a school record with 20.0 tackles for loss and led the conference with 14.5 sacks, one short of the single season school mark. Bass, who is one of the most decorated defensive players in program history, has 28.0 career sacks and is on pace to break several career records in 2012.




nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 8, 2012 12:20 pm

Another Small school Player to watch, moving up on Draft Tek's big board.

[http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL
-Draft-Prospects-2013.asp]


Mark Jackskon, OT, 6-5, 326. Glenville State.

Kid has size and footwork, transferred from Illinois, so he has some Big Ten experience.
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 10, 2012 12:22 pm

Watching the Bears and Broncos and guys we looked at in the draft.

Gabe Carimi is not as polished as predicted, Alshon Jeffrey has good hands a big body. Star of the show for the rookies was Shea McClellan, even though he had a PF and got trucked on a TD, he was all over the field and had a sack with lots of pressures and a QB hit, that should have been intercpted by the DT , who promptly dropped it.  A familear face was Thaddeus Gibson, who lined up at RDE and forced a bad throw by the Bronco's QB. 

One more guy I thought could make a living in the slot in the NFL was Dane Sazenbacher in the 2011 draft. Both he and Jeff Mahel were similar players who lit up the 3 cone drill. As Mike Mayock says, Quicker than fast.

From a few years back, a small school Sleeper that burghball liked, Xavier Omon ran hard and decisive. The only problem was it was later in the game against some guys who will be cut. You can look at that another way too, the guys blocking for him are not first teamers either. IMHO it was his leg drive and desire to move forward, no dancing around.

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 10, 2012 4:40 pm

Huge news out of LSU.........Les Miles has kicked Tyrann Mathieu off the team for allegedly failing a drug test. His second offence in under a year. I know a lot of you guys were not high on this kid anyways, but this is a huge red flag for him going forward. Stock way down! There's an article on the situation on CBS college football board.
steelroc74
SinceSep 3, 2008
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 10, 2012 9:01 pm

Roc,

I was the one arguing over the Honey Bladder, don't like him one bit, won't do crap in the pros. I like the Safety Eric Reid much better at the next level. I got into it with Walter of Walter Football because he had him going in the first round in his mock. I told him he was too small too slow and his response was that Brandon Flowers is the same height and plays well. THere is always exceptions, but something about Tyrann Mathieu that screams NFL bust. Not sure if Dane Bugphuccer has risers and fallers but Reid's stock is way up and Matthieu's next rankiing will plummet. The drug test will solidify what I thought all along about that clown.

Speaking of LSU, Al Woods had a great pick last night. The first team D shut down  Vick and that was without 4 starters.

Cool

ny
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 11, 2012 12:45 am

I got into it with Walter of Walter Football because he had him going in the first round in his mock. I told him he was too small too slow and his response was that Brandon Flowers is the same height and plays well.

Over the years I noticed how Walt uses the same arguments about everything repeatedly. He's really bad about dealing with absolutes, probably because that's the easy way out. I understand he has a lot on his plate, so I don't wanna accuse him of laziness ala Mel Kiper, but even so. He's dissolved into one of those "teams who pick high MUST pick QB" clowns who when it comes to the draft always seem to think a brand new QB, regardless of the team's situation, will solve all problems and heal all wounds. Like most analysts, he sucks at being creative with his predictions. I understand that he uses his power rankings for his mock draft order, but does he realize how utterly ridiculous, lazy, and overly safe it looks to have the Patriots and Giants as the final two picks for a 2013 mock draft especially when the rest of the draft is different from the 2012 draft order? He has Tony Jefferson as his best safety. Jefferson has gaudy stats, but he plays in the pass-heavy Big 12, so a safety that doesn't have good stats usually sucks. Walt himself calls the Big 12 "the Arena League of College Football" and uses that as an excuse to prop up his intensely pessimistic view of Brandon Weeden, even going as far as saying that the Browns better suck enough to pick Matt Barkley next April. Yet, for whatever reason, small, finesse Tony Jefferson is the nation's best safety prospect? I've known for a long time now that the nation's best safety is Eric Reid, who can do everything against the pro-style offenses that dominate the SEC. Walt has him 4th or 5th.

I still read Walt's stuff, but usually only to compare and contrast points of view. I seldom take him seriously as a basis for draft info anymore. That's said, he's still infinitely better than ESPN.
demolisher43
SinceJun 18, 2007