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Official Stop OBAMA Express!!!

February 22, 2013 10:37 am

BTW, they...for the most part are paid in cash...CASH! I don't give a crap what government study says differently...this is a fact!


He regects Reality & will substitute his own!  
CZIMMY07
SinceSep 28, 2007
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February 22, 2013 10:50 am

revenues increased...FACT 

sux, let's talk about your FACT.  When we talk about increases, we have to include inflation.  In real dollars, Reagan's tax revenues increased 19%. the 8 years before revenue increased by 24%, Clinton years - revenue increased by 41%.  Nowhere do I find tripling of revenue during Reagan's years.  You use flawed propaganda from CATO and Heritage without researching what the real numbers mean.  Yes, I use Paul Krugman as my source because he is a Nobel Laureate and not financed by the Koch brothers.  Somehow I prefer a true economist over talking heads for the Koch brothers.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/20
08/01/17/reagan-and-revenue/


BostonBeaner
SinceFeb 21, 2009
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February 22, 2013 10:55 am

nice...

I bring up a few ideas and I get ridiculed for what? For thinking that these people have alternatives to the lives they lead?

I say these opportunities aren't going to seek them out but, rather they have to take steps to seek out opportunites...

as for you...I see that you didn't offer anything up...

But, you are fine criticizing me for doing so...

Why don't you lay out a plan so I or others can scrutinize? 

Spinelessness is not offering a thing but, be critical of others... 
I didn't ridicule you or criticize you for giving ideas.

I ridiculed and criticized you for your blatant hypocrisy. You cry rivers about "libtards" wanting the government to be the answer and throwing money at problems, but then you about face and suggest a solution where the government is the answer by throwing money at the problem.

I called you spineless for putting up the idea (i.e. government is the answer/throw money at it), then pretending it was "only a suggestion" when called out on it and then trying to deflect by acting like a victim for being called out on it by saying at least you're giving ideas.

In the course of a few posts you flipped-flopped more than Mitt Romney lol.

 
Mr. Shickadance
SinceDec 13, 2009
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February 22, 2013 10:58 am

The GOP is confident they can win the public to their side

thanks, sux, for pointing out the problem with the GOP.  Winning the public is more important than saving the economy.

They are wrong when they think the public will agree with them.  The public will blame the GOP more than Obama but the real issue is why doesn't the GOP think about our economy instead of winning political points.  Obama talks about the devastation from the cuts and the GOP thinks only about blaming Obama.

Do you really think this cutnpaste favors the GOP?  WRONG!
BostonBeaner
SinceFeb 21, 2009
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February 22, 2013 11:03 am

I can't see how we could justify a response for such a response without the international community's support

nathan, think of the world support after 9/11/2001.  Whether it is the USA or another ally attacked, the world will condone any actions.
BostonBeaner
SinceFeb 21, 2009
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February 22, 2013 11:06 am

BTW, they...for the most part are paid in cash...CASH! I don't give a crap what government study says differently...this is a fact!


He regects Reality & will substitute his own!  


Another basement expert...

as I said...I know, because my BROTHER owns one of these farms and so do many friends...

would that make me more aware of what is going on?



why do you think they would pay in cash?

Come on Mr. Expert...
TOYOTA/SUX
SinceAug 12, 2006
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February 22, 2013 11:22 am

The GOP is confident they can win the public to their side

thanks, sux, for pointing out the problem with the GOP.  Winning the public is more important than saving the economy.

They are wrong when they think the public will agree with them.  The public will blame the GOP more than Obama but the real issue is why doesn't the GOP think about our economy instead of winning political points.  Obama talks about the devastation from the cuts and the GOP thinks only about blaming Obama.

Do you really think this cutnpaste favors the GOP?  WRONG!

lau
TOYOTA/SUX
SinceAug 12, 2006
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February 22, 2013 11:24 am

A poll by the Republican Winston Group gave them additional hope; it found that 52 percent of those polled preferred the GOP plan to replace the sequester with spending cuts they deemed responsible to 40 percent who felt that the cuts should be replaced with higher taxes.

LOL, I would hope that a REPUBLICAN poll makes republicans look good.  Did you read that question?  If my choice was ONLY between "spending cuts" I "deemed responsible," or "higher taxes," I'd pick the cuts too. 

You know why they're using skewed polls like this?  Because the unbiased ones aren't favorable to the GOP right now...

At a certain point, Obama’s class warfare arguments will become stale, and wither on the vine. The GOP is betting on that time being now.

How did that work out for them in, say, November 2012?

I'm not a fan of the democrats right now, and Obama isn't doing himself any favors by failing to embrace some real cuts (IMO), but this article is downright dumb.

It isn't based in reality.  They want this to be true, maybe even need this to be true, but it simply isn't.  Here is the reality:

1) The GOP's stance on no-revenue increases, while just as dumb as a no-cuts stance, doesn't mash up with what people want.  If they looked at non-republican-group polls, they'd see that the overwhelming majority supports a plan of both cuts and revenue increases.

2) This saying the same thing over and over, and hoping people will start turning on Obama, isn't going to all of a sudden start working.  Obama's approval ratings show this better than anything - it is the highest it's been since the honeymoon wore off.  Check for yourself:

[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep
olls/other/president_obama_job_appr
oval-1044.html]

3) Most every poll on the matter shows a higher percentage of the American people holding the GOP responsible for sequester than Obama or the democrats.

Telling yourself over and over that something is true doesn't make it so.  The sad part is, the GOP has set this up to let the Democrats portrary themselves the party of reason, when neither of them are, not really.  It's as if the GOP as a whole lives in a skewed world of it's own, within the already skewed world of DC.

nathan2940
SinceJul 31, 2009
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February 22, 2013 11:33 am

BTW, they...for the most part are paid in cash...CASH! I don't give a crap what government study says differently...this is a fact!

The study wasn't a govt study, sorry.  I did post some data was from the govt, but the Pew Center did the study.  However, if you want to ignore reality so it doesn't infringe on the one created by talking heads for you, that's your decision.

Nathan suggested these people aren't migratory...WRONG! The same people that work the veggie fields here in the summer come from Cali or Florida after the winter is over...they also move where construction is booming...another fact.

Another fail.  As BB already explained, I said that some are migrant workers, but more are not.  Those that work in various aspects of farming are typically more migratory than others, because of the nature of the work.

But if you used your head for a second, you'd see that it doesn't make sense for many to migrate.  For one, many get W-2 jobs, with fake SSNs and work visas.  So there is no need for them to migrate.  Secondly, think about a job like, say, a maid.  They have to build a book of business, of repeat clients, in order to make a living.  Different parts of the country don't have different cleaning seasons.  Same for lawn care businesses - they have to build a book of repeat clients.  There is some movement in that industry, but it would be the minority, not the majority.

BTW, I haven't even touched on the large amount of illegals that work in Cheese factories or meat packing plants in the area or the state for that matter...

How do I know this...my brother has one of these corporate farms...friends own cheese factories, cranberry farms and veggie farms...

If you only use your experiences, and ignore the larger world outside you and yours, you will constantly come to the wrong conclusion. Hence why you think all immigrants are migrant workers - your experience comes from the farming aspect of this issue.
nathan2940
SinceJul 31, 2009
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February 22, 2013 11:46 am

The GOP is confident they can win the public to their side

thanks, sux, for pointing out the problem with the GOP.  Winning the public is more important than saving the economy.

They are wrong when they think the public will agree with them.  The public will blame the GOP more than Obama but the real issue is why doesn't the GOP think about our economy instead of winning political points.  Obama talks about the devastation from the cuts and the GOP thinks only about blaming Obama.

Do you really think this cutnpaste favors the GOP?  WRONG!

politics have always been swaying public support in each party's favor...

IMO, the dems and obama have done a masterfull job swaying public opinion in their favor...

The GOp is responsible for all ills according to them...which is a myth.

with the majoity of the media in their corner how can a counterpoint be made with this enviroment?

has obama ever had a hard interview? If you can point to any...please provide link...I haven't witnessed any...


BTW, love the choice of words using to describe these cuts...DEVASTATING, CRISIS, etc...

It's Y2K all over again...much to do about nothing...

if its devastating to cut 85 billion...we are in bigger doo doo than we are being lead to believe...lol

what is so incredible is that few sources tell the truth...these aren't cuts at all...they are cuts in the rate of the growth of proposed spending...

as the godfather said...don't let a crisis go to waste...in this case...even if its a manufactured one.
TOYOTA/SUX
SinceAug 12, 2006
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February 22, 2013 12:03 pm

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?

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By DALIA FAHMYMay 21, 2010

It's all about money.

That's what it seems to come down to in the most recent flare-up of the [immigration debate.] Policy makers and pundits who want tougher policies against illegal immigrants argue that they cost American taxpayers billions of dollars. Those on the other side of the debate counter that illegal immigrants create demand and jobs that promote economic growth.

So which one is it?

The [Federation for American Immigration Reform] (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.

Jack Martin, director of special projects for FAIR, says the group is still working on its estimate, but believes undocumented workers leave taxpayers with a fat bill, considering that the government spends money on the workers, and they almost never pay income taxes.

"The study of the fiscal effects of illegal immigration clearly demonstrates that it is a burden on the American taxpayer," says Martin. More forceful implementation of immigration laws could save each U.S. household "in the neighborhood of a couple of thousand dollars a year."

Cost estimates usually only measure the fiscal cost, which weighs government spending (such as on public schools, medical care, incarceration and unemployment benefits) against government income (from income, property and sales taxes.) All those interviewed for this story said they can only make rough estimates, since it's almost impossible to gather accurate data about illegal residents.

Martin argues that more than half of the country's illegal immigrants work in the "underground economy," meaning that they are paid cash under the table, without paying any kind of taxes

TOYOTA/SUX
SinceAug 12, 2006
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February 22, 2013 12:12 pm

In the course of a few posts you flipped-flopped more than Mitt Romney lol.



can i get a ruling on john kerry?
FortheLulz
SinceSep 25, 2008
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February 22, 2013 12:13 pm

In the course of a few posts you flipped-flopped more than Mitt Romney lol.

can i get a ruling on john kerry?


There's a difference?

nathan2940
SinceJul 31, 2009
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February 22, 2013 12:14 pm

There's a difference?
They part their hair on the opposite side?

It fooled Lois Lane..... 
Mr. Shickadance
SinceDec 13, 2009
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February 22, 2013 12:14 pm

The cowards of the website will have to run and hide like roaches when the light comes on at night.

It's fine by me-  require real names and real photos.  Let the kooks run off.      

Said bill won't hold up in court.  Most newspapers allow anonymous postings on its op-ed page, this is no different.   
bigred472
SinceOct 24, 2006
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February 22, 2013 12:15 pm

I didn't ridicule you or criticize you for giving ideas.

I ridiculed and criticized you for your blatant hypocrisy. You cry rivers about "libtards" wanting the government to be the answer and throwing money at problems, but then you about face and suggest a solution where the government is the answer by throwing money at the problem.

I called you spineless for putting up the idea (i.e. government is the answer/throw money at it), then pretending it was "only a suggestion" when called out on it and then trying to deflect by acting like a victim for being called out on it by saying at least you're giving ideas.

In the course of a few posts you flipped-flopped more than Mitt Romney lol.

 
Actually, I initially said and suggested they look at the opportunites in North Dakota....that suggestion doesn't bring government into the equation...and I got laughed at...

I clearly said that handouts are not the answer...that is throwing money at the situation...

I suggested the military because it is NOT a handout...the benefit comes after the service to the country...

how is that flip flopping?


and yet you still haven't posted some ideas of your own
TOYOTA/SUX
SinceAug 12, 2006
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February 22, 2013 12:22 pm

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Any dog that wears a pink ribbon wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on its tail. 
bigred472
SinceOct 24, 2006
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February 22, 2013 12:27 pm

Let's not create another Iraq by acting too quickly.

It won't be another Iraq.  The Iranians despise Israel to the extent that Israel will make waste of every conceivable possible nuke site Iran might have (to and including high density populated areas).  Outrage from the rest of the Arab world?  Not so much as most cannot stand Iran either.   
bigred472
SinceOct 24, 2006
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February 22, 2013 12:27 pm

Actually, I initially said and suggested they look at the opportunites in North Dakota....that suggestion doesn't bring government into the equation...and I got laughed at...
You were "laughed at" because you live in this simplistically naive world where you think anyone can just up and move to where a job might be on a whim as if it's that easy.
I clearly said that handouts are not the answer...that is throwing money at the situation...

I suggested the military because it is NOT a handout...the benefit comes after the service to the country... 
You didn't say a single word about a handout until after I called you out for the hypocrisy of you suggesting the military (i.e. government) as a solution. 

Whether you want to write it off as not a hand out or not is irrelevant to my point. On this thread and others you continualy ridicule people you consider liberals because they suggest, or you at least think they want, the government to be the answer, yet in one sentence you make that very same suggestion. 
how is that flip flopping?
That isn't flip-flopping, but I can see you're having trouble understanding basic english today. Your flip-flopping was at first giving the idea, then denying you were really giving it as an idea but just a suggestion and then getting mad when you thought you were getting ridiculed for the idea you said you weren't even giving.
and yet you still haven't posted some ideas of your own
I don't have since I never took part in that particular aspect of the conversation to begin with. 
Mr. Shickadance
SinceDec 13, 2009
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February 22, 2013 12:39 pm

Spinelessness is not offering a thing but, be critical of others...

There aren't that great of a number of unemployed that even have the background or education to folllow your ideas.  Re-review your idea of working in N. Dakota.  Even if there weren't job requirements and despite many good paying jobs, you son't have enough housing available, what is available is expensive, as is everything else tied to living in that area right now.  So, the question that begs for an answer is "Was you example well thought out?"  And the answer is a resounding no.  Besides N. Dakota is like my state---miles and miles of nothing.    
bigred472
SinceOct 24, 2006